 
            When We All Get to Heaven
When We All Get to Heaven is a documentary project that tells the story of one of the first gay-positive churches, the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco, and how it faced the personal, social, and political trials of the AIDS epidemic, including the deaths of 500 of its members.
The project follows a community of LGBTQ Christians as they struggle to make meaning of illness, death, and isolation while caught between two communities: a religious world that said that gays had no place and a gay rights movement that said God had no place. We tell the stories of clergy and lay people, people with AIDS and those who cared for them, and the activists, theologians and community members that joined the congregation in search of spiritual answers, sustenance, and healing.
Our project is based on an archive of 1200 cassette tapes recorded during the height of the AIDS epidemic. We tell stories from that archive in a variety of formats – articles, digital humanities projects, and an upcoming documentary podcast.
 
            Founding TEam
Ariana Nedelman is the co-founder of the feminist production company, Not Sorry. She is the co-creator of three podcasts: Harry Potter and the Sacred Text, Hot and Bothered, and The Real Question. She is also a former associate producer at Pemberley Digital, where she helped produce an Emmy Award winning adaptation of Jane Austen’s Emma. She has her B.A. in Comparative Human Development from the University of Chicago and a graduate certificate in Radio and Podcasting from The Salt Institute of Documentary Studies.
Lynne Gerber is an independent scholar in San Francisco. Her research and writing is focused on religion, morality, and the body in the United States. She is the author of Seeking the Straight and Narrow: Weight Loss and Sexual Reorientation in Evangelical America (Chicago, 2012). Her work has also appeared in American Quarterly, Nova Religio, Gender & Society, Salon, The Revealer, and Religion Dispatches. She has held research positions and taught at Harvard Divinity School and the University of California at Berkeley. Lynne’s article on MCCSF minister Rev. Jim Mitulski in The Revealer won the 2022 Association of LGBTQ Journalists Award in Profile Writing. She’s been a friend of MCCSF since she first attended a Sunday evening service in December of 2001. 
Siri Colom is an urban sociologist who focuses on politics after disasters. She uses the lens of sociology to think about how structural oppression manifests and emerges in the everyday politics of people attempting to rebuild lives and homes. She is an Associate Professor of Sociology at Worcester State University and holds a PhD from the University of California Berkeley. She has recently been trained in radio production through Transom.
Production Team
David Herman (Sound Designer) is a sound designer, mix engineer, and composer. He began his radio career at WNYC, where he created the sound design for Freakonomics Radio, The Experiment, and Season 4 of More Perfect. He has contributed work to shows for NPR, The New York Times, Gimlet Media, Stitcher, and The Atlantic, where his sound design was featured in the Peabody award-winning series Floodlines. David is the owner of Good Studio, a recording studio located in the Gowanus neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York.
Krissy Clark (Managing Producer) is a Peabody-nominated journalist, specializing in narrative and investigative longform audio and print. She is a writer, reporter, producer and editor. She was the co-creator, Host and Senior Correspondent of Marketplace's “The Uncertain Hour," named one of the Best Podcasts of 2023 by Vogue magazine. Clark has reported for “99% Invisible,” Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting, Slate, NPR's Morning Edition and All Things Considered, Freakonomics, High Country News and the BBC. Her investigations have been featured on “Last Week, Tonight with John Oliver” and sparked policy reform efforts. Her journalism has been written about in The Washington Post, The Guardian, Wired, The Financial Times, IndieWire and New York Magazine. Clark has received a National Press Foundation Economic Justice Award, a National Headliner award, an IRE award, two Gracie awards, and has been a finalist for a James Beard Award for food journalism, a Third Coast International Audio Festival Award, a Livingston Award and three Loeb Awards. She has guest lectured at the USC Annenberg School of Journalism, the Salt Institute for Documentary Studies and City College in New York.
Sayre Quevedo (Story Editor) is an artist and journalist. He works across mediums to tell stories about intimacy, identity, and human relationships. Quevedo began as a reporter with Youth Radio in Oakland, California at the age of 15 in 2008. Since then his work has been featured on National Public Radio, Marketplace , BBC Short Cuts, Love Me on the CBC, and Radio Atlas. In 2018, his piece "Espera" received the TC/RHDF Directors' Choice award and his other piece "The Quevedos" was nominated for a Best Audio Documentary award by the International Documentary Association (IDA). The following year he won the 2019 Third Coast/RHDF Gold Award for Best Documentary for "The Return". It was also nominated for a Best Audio Documentary award by the IDA, his second nomination two years in a row. Quevedo was the Fall 2019 Podcaster-In-Residence for the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art and an Associate Producer for The Daily at The New York Times and Latino USA and a producer for VICE News. He is currently an adjunct at Columbia University's Oral History Program and New York University's Audio Journalism department. 
Tim Dillinger-Curenton (Consulting Producer) is an award-winning music historian with a focus on the worlds of gospel, soul, contemporary Christian, and women's music. A researcher, essayist, and curator, Dillinger-Curenton is the founder of God’s Music Is My Life, a music preservation project encompassing a weekly newsletter housing both long-form features and hosted news aggregation, published video interviews and digitized archival footage, and a monthly radio show dedicated to traditional gospel music. In partnership with Soul Music Records, he has produced retrospective albums on Shirley Murdock and Howard Hewitt and is currently completing work on four 2024 releases by disco/soul icons Loleatta Holloway, Taana Gardner, First Choice and Double Exposure. He has also written liner notes for the aforementioned Shirley Murdock compilation, as well as anthology projects on The Sweet Inspirations (Cissy Houston), The Weather Girls, The Mighty Clouds of Joy, and the Staple Singers among others. He is currently completing a book, Express Yourself in Me: Black Power, Gay Liberation and Disco Heat with a Holy Ghost Touch, about the innovative New York Community Choir, famed for their gospel-disco crossover success in the seventies. A graduate of the State University of New York at Albany, Dillinger-Curenton double majored in Africana Studies and Women's, Gender & Sexuality Studies. 
Sarah Ventre (Managing Producer, 2023-2024)
Betsy Towner Levine (Fact Checker)
Ariana Martinez (Outreach Coordinator)
Production Interns: Nico Kossakowski, Carrie Hale, Victoria Nascimento
Our Work
When We All Get to Heaven
We’ve partnered with Slate to release our 10-episode documentary season in their Outward feed.
The Pink and Purple Church in The Castro
An interactive digital exhibit created in collaboration with The American Religious Sounds Project which tells the history of the Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco through sound and photographs.
AIDS and the Blessings of Staying
A profile of Reverend Jim Mitulski in The Revealer magazine by Lynne Gerber.
For Clergy Who Ministered Through the AIDS Crisis COVID is Both Eerily Familiar and Puzzlingly Different
Reflections from LGBT Christian clergy during the COVID pandemic by Lynne Gerber in Religious Dispatches.
“We Who Must Die Demand a Miracle"
A book chapter by Lynne Gerber in Devotions and Desires: Histories of Sexuality and Religion in the Twentieth-Century United States.
A Church with AIDS
A co-produced episode of the podcast Sexing History.
 
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Here Be Monsters: Envisioning AIDS
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